Scary

[Tom-From-Sparks]

Forgetting how to sing and play keyboards should be easy enough ;D

[tafkac]

Monpot said:

"Why don't you like Political Correctness? Is it because you can't be racist anymore?"

The scariest people are the racists in denial. At least the BNP don't make that many bones about it. People like Michael Howard actually don't believe they are being racist, especially because he's a second generation immigrant, he can go around saying "its impossible for me to be racist". As far as I'm concerned nationalism and patriotism are not qualitatively different from racism. Its just about where you happen to have been born rather than what colour your skin is.

Its terrifying that this is still OK, and its not just the Tories. David Blunkett's "Britishness" tests are no better - just manufacturing some chauvinistic pseudo-history about a "culture" which doesn't really exist. It reminds me of something Frantz Fanon said about humanism - its just a socially acceptable conceit which exists for the purposes of excluding people. Thank fuck I stopped studying anthropology while I still could.

Why don't people ever think? Sadly, I suppose if there were no myths left, society would collapse. I'd like to think we could live without this one about this undeserving underclass who supposedly parasitise our this wonderful country our sainted forefathers worked so hard to fight the Nazis for. Bull. Shit. We learnt nothing from the second world war. Nothing. There was me thinking it was about putting an end to militant nationalism, then we go and create states like Israel which are all but modelled on the Third Reich, and the Cold War happens and fully ruins everything. I hate the world sometimes, I really do.

[i_deserve...]

Something I can't stand now is people's inability to separate Judaism/Semitism from Israeli. The sickening parallels between the Gaza Strip and Warsaw 1940 are plain to see and yet you get smeared as anti-Jewish if you mention it.

Unfortunately, fighting the Nazis wasn't ideological. It was in the Spanish Civil War, but it was just down to territory in WW2.

[Monpot]

i_deserve... said:

It was in the Spanish Civil War, but it was just down to territory in WW2.

Only one of the Welsh volunteers who went to Spain is still alive. Quite sad. I can't imagine many people going over to join another country's ideological struggle these days.

I to hate people who can't/won't distinguish between being critical of Israeli policy and being an anti-semite.

[i_deserve...]

George Orwell got shot out there, didn't he?

it's so interesting, how this bunch of intellectuals and socialists went and fought for Spanish democracy and then there's the whole Guernica thing as well...

[Fullerov]

Yeah but thank god he survived.

[i_deserve...]

yeah, thank fuck.

i would've gone and fought myself, i think - although it clearly did fuck all those people didn't know it then and I absolutely abhor conservatism.

I'd like the truth to be told about Churchill for once, this country has idolised the bastard far too fucking long.

[Fullerov]

say what you like about Churchill, the fact remains however that he was right about Hitler from the beginning.

and not all conservatism is bad.

[i_deserve...]

he was right about Hitler, yes - but largely because he was such a hawk and was pretty much the only person prepared to go to war again after WW1, which decimated the country.

not really the right reasons. It's not like he was fully against what Hitler said either, it was just the 'conquer Europe' angle that riled old Winston.

[Fullerov]

What would the right reasons be?

[i_deserve...]

the right reasons would be an ideological abhorrence to Nazism, which he didn't have.

He murdered soldiers and miners, he was a bigot, and he lost the election right after the war.

Britain then knew he was a wanker, Britain now thinks he won the war on his own.

[Fullerov]

He may have been a bigot by our standards, but he was by no means a monster.

The public inevitably and somewhat unfairly associated the tories with taking Britian into the war. Not entering was simply not an option in this one.

And he was re-elected after Atlees spell in power.

[i_deserve...]

well...

i'm very biased, and i value his contribution to the war effort, I just get riled by the fact that he won Greatest Britons etc when he shot the miners and was responsible for the Gallipoli fiasco.

not my favourite bloke.

[Fullerov]

I accept he was by no means perfect, miners etc but without him WWII would probably have been lost.

[Fullerov]

and with regards to the Greatest Britons thing it was a wrongheaded competition i.e. was a popularity contest rather than marking the Briton with the biggest affect upoin history/Arts etc.

Churchill was easily in top 5 for the second category.