Fuck the pope, he was wrong about everything

[John Brainlove]

A quick google reveals -

"In "Memory and Identity," the pope ruminates on gay marriage with an assault that is at once direct and syntactically circuitous. "It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he says."

"Catholicism supports and advocates pro-life stances. Catholicism is against abortion, euthanasia, human cloning, and other things that meddle in natural creation or destruction of human life."

"In a meeting at the Vatican last week, Pope John Paul II praised President Bush for his leadership against abortion rights in the United States. The Pope lauded "his commitment to the promotion of moral values in American Society, particularly with regard to respect for life and the family," according to the New York Times. "Although White House officials denied any political motivation, the chance to associate Mr. Bush with this moral authority five months before Election Day has clear political implications," the Times contends."

"He promotes the spread of AIDS and has no respect for women and the gay community. He has done nothing for peace in Northern Ireland, just promote sectarianism. Keeps the Dead sea scrolls locked in the Vatican vaults. Accepts that his priests abuse children and does nothing accept offend those they have abused. Nonsense about him caring for 25% of AIDS suffers, these people would not have the disease if it was not for his ignorance on contraception. The Pope and his cronies, live in the 18th century still."

[Wiggles]

I wish I could jump on the pope-bashing bandwagon, but all I know about catholicism is what I've seen on Father Ted. Suffice to say that I find Christianity odious.

[Monpot]

This is a Johan Hari article that someone emailed to me, some interesting stuff in it. Tried to copy and paste, but it were over 10,000 characters so it wouldn't let me post.

Anyway, read it up where the link is.

[John Brainlove]

thanks. excerpts -

"The most famous (policy of the pope) is his policy towards contraception, which UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has described as "one that favours death rather than life.""

"When Mrs Nafis Sadik, the Pakistani head of the UN Fund for Population Activities, tried to explain to (the pope) the case for a woman's right to choose, he howled at her, "Don't you think that the irresponsible behaviour of men is caused by women?" With beliefs like this, it is little wonder that Wojtyla deliberately ignores the evidence that his policy - which forbids the use of condoms even in a marriage where one partner if HIV positive - causes untold misery to some of the poorest women in the world."

"In some of the poorest parts of the world, the Vatican has pumped out the message that condoms are "useless" and do not prevent the spread of HIV. Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo - speaking directly on behalf of the Pope - stated in 2003 that "serious scientific studies" had shown that the HIV virus could pass through latex rubber. The BBC's Panorama team revealed that no scientist believes these assertions, not even the ones the Vatican claimed to be quoting as their "evidence". The result is clear: development agencies now believe there are thousands of people unnecessarily condemned to die of AIDS in developing countries."

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[Tom-From-Sparks]

*rant mode on*

*I reccomend SFA's Run Christian Run, the DVD version if possible to accompany this*

All these good feelings about the Pope mainly seem to be due to the fact that he was representative of Poland's rise against Communism.
He was also seen to be progressive (Fuck yeah) and someone who represented hope and was a good orator.

This has been drummed into my head the last few days.

The Pope recently wrote a book where he states once and for all homosexuality to be an evil sin.

Slightly connected to this have you heard about America pulling out of any aid finance to countries in Africa where they still practise abortions or use contraceptive methods such as the pill or condoms. They are only willing to give aid to countries which promote abstinance.

Abstinance would be ideal in a world where people do not have passion, lust and instincts but this isn't the case. Teenage birth rates are highest in these 'Bible belt' states.
However America and Catholacism seem to think a quick no or wearing a ring will work against all the evils in the world.
A fucking dose of reality is needed from both sides.
The powers that be in the Catholic church are so removed from reality, and are so ready to judge and be unbending in stance to others of different persuasion. This is a church who only not so long ago stopped blaming the death of Jesus on the Jews.
However when it's one of them then the tables turn and suddenly is hushed up and these offending members get away scott free even though these people have commited horrendous sins.

Catholicism believes in the sanctity of human life, even if a child is born into rape for example, However if for example these people don't believe in Catholisicm then suddenly it's Ok to go in their country, kill them and try to force them to do what you tell them. If you believe that it just happened in the Crusades then look recently at what's happened in Sudan (not Darfur).
When killing like this is going on then suddenly the Pope turns a blind eye no matter how much suffering is going on.

*Phew, rant mode off*

[Wiggles]

That's a good article. Doesn't he write for the New Statesman?

[Monpot]

Not sure, I know he writes in the Independant.

If you want something funny on his site, then his Littlejohn Watch series is ace. There's one,

There's more on the site somewhere but I can't find them.

[Monpot]

One more

[tafkac]

Fantastic Pope-bashing. I commend you all.

[cadd]

Why can't he have been a nice forward thinker like Ian Paisley

[Wiggles]

Monpot said:

One more

That comment at the end of this article is hilarious. Wait, no it isn't. It's unnerving.

[John Brainlove]

Catholics are forbidden to use condoms even in a marriage where one partner has contracted HIV. That's fucking twisted and evil - a death sentence. And for what??
The way they are parading the pope around in the media as some kind of benevolent saint is sick.

[cadd]

www.theherald.co.uk/news/36559.html

[creakyknees]

I feel like I'm jumping on a bandwagon now, so can I add that mother theresa was no saint either.

It is mind boggling that the government is not discussing government business as a 'mark of respect'.....what for? lazy skiving tossers, did I get a day off when John Peel died? why do all these people who are not at all upset persist in continuing this charade?

Tony Blair's in vespers.....what sort of nonsense talk is that?
Who actually knows or loves the pope?
2 million going to Rome?
Is he just a blank canvas that they write their own private fantasies over?
Or is it just cos people like a good show?

[Smileadelic]

I concur and have nothing original to add.

He was a very ill old man who unsurprisingly died. I'm trying to be restrained with people about this - I mean, I never knew him and at the end of the day I don't wish death on anyone - but his reign illustrates the dangers of actually having a Pope at all.

(And as for Government business... all they were going to do is announce the election, and we know when that's going to be anyway )



[EDIT: anyone seeing the pro-life ads at the top of this page now? Hehehe!]