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Post by John Brainlove on Apr 26, 2005 18:11:44 GMT
Imagine it!
PUNK WARS!
Yes.
(EDIT: "some else"? jesus. I wish I could edit the categories. that looks stupid)
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Post by Smileadelic on Apr 26, 2005 18:16:32 GMT
I went for the Pistols for one reason: "Never Mind the Bollocks".
I don't think any of the first wave of punk records has aged as well as that.
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Post by Wiggles on Apr 26, 2005 18:45:55 GMT
Nobody can beat iggy and/or the stooges.
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Post by Sissyneck on Apr 26, 2005 19:50:55 GMT
Oh dear... Ramones or Pistols... such a dilemma!
I think I'll go for the Sex Pistols due to my dodgy theory that they're the only punk band ever.
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Post by wishpig on Apr 26, 2005 20:14:12 GMT
FOOLS! the correct answer is the ramones of course.
*sigh* you've made me think of dee dee ramone now, in a very bad way.
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Post by tafkac on Apr 26, 2005 20:35:51 GMT
Pfffft. Don't make me give you indie-schmindie kids a cyber-slap. I realise that maybe I should take this in the lighthearted spirit in which its intended, but I find the "punk is dead, the Sex Pistols/Ramones/whatever will never be surpassed" idea that comes from outside the scene kind of upsetting. Its like the whole "dance music is dead" conceit at the moment. It isn't, the mainstream has just got bored of it. Once you start talking about classics or kings of punk as a genre, the whole idea of music as a socio-political intervention kind of subverts itself. Refused understood this, sort of - "they told me the classics never go out of style, but they do". I don't like taking things out of context like this.
The Sex Pistols were a boy band - the commercial edge of a musical/political phenomenon. If they'd been around today we would probably all hate them. Musically I don't dislike them, but they were such a manufactured phenomenon whose hype has become so much bigger than they ever were that I think they have lost all credibility as a "punk" band. All the underground acts that I probably would have loved at the time have probably been lost to history. I'd dispute whether the Ramones ever really had much to do with punk. I don't think you can lump all these bands together or compare them.
Thank you for your time, and apologies for my pedantry.
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Post by Wiggles on Apr 26, 2005 20:40:57 GMT
Yes, yes. Iconoclasm. Got it.
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Post by John Brainlove on Apr 26, 2005 20:56:35 GMT
I knew someone would pull the list apart in that way. SO there, it's out of the way.
SO - who's best then?
;D
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Post by tafkac on Apr 26, 2005 21:10:22 GMT
I knew someone would pull the list apart in that way. SO there, it's out of the way. SO - who's best then? ;D I'm so predictable. I try not to but it just comes out.  The best? Some Else obviously. The only real punk band. |
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Post by John Brainlove on Apr 26, 2005 21:26:58 GMT
...........?
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Post by cadd on Apr 27, 2005 0:04:25 GMT
I did a head to head last year with the 1st Clash album and Never Mind The Bollocks and felt it was a draw. Two of the major soundtrack albums of my teenage years that helped to tip me down onto the slippery slope that led to places like this. I'd put the 1st Ramones album in with those two as well.
I bought the Ramones-Leave Home on cd yesterday and I'm really looking forward to playing it for the first time at ASBO inducing volume. I think Ramones/Leave Home/Rocket To Russia are such good albums to come out with in succesion that they could never really live up to them after that.
I saw The Ramones about 20 years ago. I'm so old, helpless and decrepit.
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Post by Sissyneck on Apr 27, 2005 0:38:06 GMT
Not really a response to anything in particular. I just felt like sharing what comes to mind when I think of these bands.
Sex Pistols = punk
Ramones = coolness & bubblegum
The Buzzcocks = Red Mountain coffee - the advert when I first heard "Ever Fallen In Love" and fell in love with it... the song, not the coffee
The Clash = Levi's Jeans... sorry about this, but it's the first thing that came into my head
The Undertones = John Peel
Iggy & The Stooges = "Search and Destroy" in The Life Aquatic - "You left your dog you idiots."
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Post by Durutti on Apr 27, 2005 7:17:14 GMT
Well, it's the Pistols for me.
Sorry, Tafkac, but
I see what you mean but come on. This band were a phenomenon. The sheer force of their presence was, for a very brief time, unmatched.
Yes, they got "the look" right. Exactly right. Maclaren understood it was pop, with that whole rock n roll rebel schtick he recycled from the 50s.
But Lydon's look and attitude had as much to do with him as Maclaren. It was one of the many sources of tension between two very similar people. To say someone like Lydon was a manufacured product is unfair. He was made by his circumstances (he's a recognisable postwar London Irish type is Mr Lydon).
Then there's the lyrics. The best ones are fucking genius. All subsequent hype aside "God Save the Queen" absolutely stands the test of time lyrically, even if the music has become cliche.
Yea, they got badly used and fucked over by their manager and were past their best inside 18 months. Welcome to the music business. But if we are judging like with like, then The Sex Pistols were liek, totally the best there has ever been.
So there!
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Post by Smileadelic on Apr 27, 2005 8:06:21 GMT
His subsequent work with PIL was enough to show that Lydon was the real deal.
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Post by bamos on Apr 27, 2005 8:15:45 GMT
I've voted for the Buzzcocks. Because they make me dancey happy smiley smiley. Which isn't what punk was intended to do, but fuck that. Sometimes, I don't wanna be angry. Sometimes I wanna jump up and down on my bad singing 'What Do I Get?' in a semi-recognisable falsetto.
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